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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.13 12:07:00 -
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Get a new agent if you don't like the missions being offered. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.15 08:12:00 -
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Well, I get those missions offered every once in a while but the majority of the time it seems I'm getting offered Extravaganza, Blockade, Gone Berserk, Mordus Headhunters, Worlds Collide, etc.
Maybe the type of Corporation might have something to do with it. I'm talking about Military vs Civilian. Anyway, standings probably play a major part in it. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.15 11:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Have the agents mission assignments been changed? I think after the previous update agents started offering only certain types of missions while previously there was a greater variety. No, it's just random, and the human mind really dislikes it. So yes, you're imagining things. Not that you're getting those missions over and over again, but that it has any meaning or that it signifies any change. It's just the roll of the die.
Roll of the dice? Random pool of missions? Trick of the human mind?
Please explain to me why I rarely, and I do mean rarely ever get offered any Anti-Empire encounter missions? I guess high Social skills and high positive standings with all Empire Factions has nothing to do with it and it's all just a figment of my imagination.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.15 14:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Roll of the dice? Random pool of missions? Trick of the human mind?
Please explain to me why I rarely, and I do mean rarely ever get offered any Anti-Empire encounter missions? Because there's so few of them in your agents' mission pools. Quote:I guess high Social skills and high positive standings with all Empire Factions has nothing to do with it and it's all just a figment of my imagination. Yup.
Somehow I knew you'd reply with a typical troll response.
Obviously you have no clue how Social skills affect standings or how standings affect agent mission offers. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.16 00:03:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Tippia wrote:Sure I do. How social skills affect standings is quite clearly explained in the wiki, and how standings affect mission offers is very simple: you are allowed to take missions that has a level that satisfies (lvl -1)+ù2-1 Gëñ standing. That is all. I know you want to claim otherwise, but here's the problem with that claim: there is absolutely nothing to support it and for everything you think you have in support of your stance, there is equal evidence to support the exact opposite. The fact remains: humans like to see patterns in random distributions GÇö your predilection lies in tying skills and standing to mission offers, but the evidence is simply just not there. Until it is, it's all in your head. Just because you can't provide any evidence to support your case doesn't make me a troll for pointing out that there is nothing to support your case and that, to the best of anyone's knowledge, it's all random. You are not alone. He's unbelievably Trolling ME about PI and ICE sales vs. Fuel Block sales over in another Thread................. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=946966#post946966
Dude, I think you need to stop crackin that Ice. I have never seen that thread before and my name is nowhere in that thread. I have never ever posted anything about PI, Ice or POS Fuel in all my years of playing Eve.
As for you Tippia, you post another long winded troll rant filled with nothing more than unsubstantiated claims and insults. I've already posted evidence to support my statement in various other threads yet you still haven't posted any contrary proof. I've also had other players back up my statement due to their own experience.
Just like your signature states, all you do is rant a bunch of nonsense with no evidence to back up your claims. You keep singing the same old fail-safe adage as if it's an Official CCP statement. Your replies are comprised of typical generic excuses quoted by players relying on what others have stated without doing research.
Quote:http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Agents#Effective_qualityEffective Quality = 20 + (5 * Level of Negotiation) + Effective Standing (Technically the first 20 is the agent's base quality, but, similarly to access, since Incursion 1.5 it is always +20 for the purpose of calculating rewards.) Effective quality (EQ) determines from what end of the mission pool the agent will select missions. The high the EQ, the shorter the trips will be for couriers and the closer the kill targets will be. Also, it seems to improve the chances of the agent offering the harder and more rewarding missions. This actually means that with higher standings and Negotiation an agent may offer you harder, instead of easier, missions. The better rewarding missions are often the harder ones although they also often require a lot more time so the effective reward may not differ as much as it seems. Effective quality also directly affects the reward and your standing gain with the agent and their corporation, for every mission.
Quote:http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Agent#Agent_LevelsAs you run missions for an agent, your standings towards the agent and its corporation will improve. As your standings towards the agent improve, you will be offered more rewarding missions. Rewards are affected by: 1) agent level 2) agent location (security level of the system) 3) agent standing 4) Negotiation skill level Of course, rewards are affected by missions you get, too :) |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.16 01:39:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote: As for agent quality influencing the pool of missions, I don't know of anyone who's run enough missions to figure that out. So unless someone has a lot of data or a reliable dev comment (and devs have been wrong before,) I'll go with "show me the numbers and/or code."
The same can be said to those stating that it doesn't influence the pool of missions. Since none of us are Dev's with access to the 'code', it all boils down to your own personal experience, your standings and your list of completed missions in 'Show Transactions' option for Corporations.
stoicfaux wrote:Context. The "rewarding missions" are simply the ability to run higher level missions.
The 'rewarding missions' doesn't refer to the ability of advancing to a higher level agent, it refers to the larger harder missions being offered such as 'Extravaganza', 'Gone Berserk', 'Blockade', etc., instead of 'Duo Of Death', 'Covering Your Tracks', 'Right Hand of Zazzmatazz', etc.. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.16 22:25:00 -
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[quote=Tippia]So again: not proven. Please provide evidence to support your claim.[/quote
GAWD, you are indeed the Queen Troll. Maybe you should have your eyes checked since I already provided links supporting my statement in post 15 of this thread. Now you provide evidence that supports your claim. If what you claim is actually true facts then you shouldn't have any problem providing proof that's contrary to what I posted.
Since you can't, you conveniently resort to posting more insulting statements while trying to redirect attention once again. All you ever do is post sarcastic insulting rants and twist the meaning of other players statements around in a vain attempt to justify your own self-righteous viewpoint. Instead of posting some proof, you spout more conjecture and unsubstantiated beliefs.
Some players may believe your ignorant, unfounded, unresearched, implausible bullshit as factual truth just because you say it is. Unfortunately, there are still some players who want to see actual facts so here's your own words shoved back into your face: proof or STFU
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.17 03:19:00 -
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Thanks for proving you are definitely a loud mouth windbag with that long rant.
You posted a link to the Wiki in an attempt to justify your statement while trying to discredit my statement, then when I post a couple links supporting my statement you say it's just more unsupported assertions.
The only thing you have proved here is that you fail miserably.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.19 22:45:00 -
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Cyniac wrote:Even though on this my anecdotal evidence seems to align fairly well with that of Crimson - I agree entirely with Tippia's assertion that this is at best, anecdotal.
So let me put this in another way.
What kind of data (that us mortal players) can be gathered which would be the best to show things one way or the other? I'm willing to invest some time in gathering said data and see what happens.
Anecdotal Evidence is merely casual observations or indications rather than rigorous or scientific analysis.
Obviously there is very little info available and CCP has not released any Official statements regarding this subject. I posted what little info there is available that supports this 'Anecdotal Evidence' which was immediately dismissed by some players claiming it as more unfounded assertions. Yet they still can't post any links providing support to their contradictions which makes their statements nothing more than Hearsay Evidence.
I have sent a petition to CCP asking them to clarify this issue once and for all. I'll post their reply asap. |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.20 16:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:We can provide exactly the same evidence as you can, and provide exactly the same kind of support you can. The difference is that we are not trying to prove anything GÇö you are. We are simply stating that there is nothing to suggest that we should deviate from the null hypothesis (that there is no link).
What a load of manure. You've been constantly trying to prove I'm incorrect with every single post you make in this thread. Please post this so called evidence of yours proving that my statement is incorrect and I will gladly retract my statement and claim you're right.
Tippia wrote:You are the one trying to claim there is a connection, so the only one who has to provide any kind of evidence is you. Until you do, we don't need to do anything but remind you that you have none and that you cannot really go about and claim that there is such a connection the way you do. Us doing anything at all beyond that is just a courtesy GÇö absolutely nothing is required of us until you provide something to disprove (should we even have any desire to do so).
More lies, where is this so called rule written that says the burden of proof is on me? Also you were the one who started it with your claim that mission offers are totally random with this post:
Tippia wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Have the agents mission assignments been changed? I think after the previous update agents started offering only certain types of missions while previously there was a greater variety. No, it's just random, and the human mind really dislikes it. So yes, you're imagining things. Not that you're getting those missions over and over again, but that it has any meaning or that it signifies any change. It's just the roll of the die.
Since you insist on stating your viewpoint with no supporting evidence then I have every right to state my viewpoint without providing evidence. It seems you don't understand how a debate works since I already posted links showing support for my statement. Now it's your turn to post links showing support for your statement. That's called point and counterpoint which is otherwise known as a debate.
Tippia wrote:Calling people trolls because they don't buy your departure from the null hypothesis with anything backing it up just makes you look like you prefer this to be a matter of faith (complete with persecution of those who don't automatically hold the same beliefs) rather than of actual knowledge.
You are trolling due to constantly writing long drawn out posted replies ranting about how I'm wrong and yet you can't provide any evidence whatsoever to support your claim. So far all I've seen is a bunch of hearsay being presented as fact with a few players trying to give credence to your statement. I could also get players to post in this thread and give credence that supports my statement but I'm not going to waste anymore of my time with your bullshit.
More importantly, I see you conveniently overlooked my last statement: "I have sent a petition to CCP asking them to clarify this issue once and for all. I'll post their reply asap." |

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote: more ranting Do you or anyone else have any Statistical Evidence or an Official Statement from CCP for verification of this so called 'Null Hypothesis'? It doesn't matter how many characters you get to post here on your behalf, it's all hearsay until someone provides positive evidence to back up your statement. I already posted links providing support to my statement yet you obviously can't provide any links at all to support your viewpoint. Probably because there isn't any available.
stoicfaux wrote:Personally, I'm insulted by Tippia's continuance of this "debate."
Tippia, are you implying that the rest of us are too stupid to know that DeMichael Crimson's arguments are weak-sauce? Yet nobody has provided any substantial evidence to dispute my statement.
stoicfaux wrote:That we need to be continually reminded about anecdotal evidence, unsupported/unverifiable/potentially-out-of-date sources, I'd rather go with Anecdotal Evidence than Hearsay Evidence. Hearsay Evidence is nothing more than unsubstantiated rumors that are unverified. As for the links I posted being out-of-date, check the date at the bottom of their page.
stoicfaux wrote:or about such concepts as "proving a negative" or the burden of proof? First of all, Tippia was the one who started this with her statement that agent mission offers are totally random with nothing affecting them so the 'Burden Of Proof' actually falls on Tippia. Since this isn't a Legal Proceeding I don't have to show any proof. However I did provide links to back up my statement yet no one else has posted any proof to negate those links.
Bottom line: CCP is the only one who can resolve this issue and when they do reply to the petition with a statement regarding this subject, then someone can claim they are correct. Until that time, I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this thread unless someone can post undisputed evidence in support of one side or the other. |
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